Ludology: Ludology 221 - The Pac Less Traveled


Emma and Gil welcome Jonny Pac, designer of Coloma and other games set in the Gold Rush West. Our main topic of discussion is multiple paths to victory: what it brings to a game, what kinds of games need it, what kinds of games don't, and how to avoid the dreaded "point salad" effect.

Jonny's published games:

  • Hangtown
  • Coloma
  • A Fistful of Meeples
  • Sierra West
  • Lions of Lydia (on Kickstarter as of the release of this episode!)
  • Merchant's Cove

Show notes:

06m28s: Jonny likens Scythe to a race game. Check out Chapter 2 of Characteristics of Games (George Skaff Elias, Richard Garfield, K. Robert Gutschera) for more information about the distinction between a "race" and a "brawl."

07m35s: Games mentioned:
Lords of Waterdeep
Caylus 1303

08m32s: Games mentioned:

09m48s: Games mentioned:
7 Wonders Duel

12m56s: Ah, the "Victory Points Suck" argument! Here is the original talk, and here is the rebuttal blog post that Gil wrote. (Scott Westerfeld is actually a really cool person; he was just being a bit hyperbolic.)

13m32s: Games mentioned:
Get Bit
Red Dragon Inn

15m02s: Games mentioned:

18m06s: Games mentioned:
El Grande
6 Nimmt!

22m27s: Games mentioned:
Point Salad

32m01s: Games mentioned:
Century: Spice Road

34m09s: Games mentioned:

35m58s: Games mentioned:
Terra Mystica

42m12s: Games mentioned:

46m47s: Games mentioned:
Ticket to Ride

49m28s: Zero-level heuristics - the strategies and tactics players embrace when first learning the game. Go back to Characteristics of Games, Chapter 4, for an excellent introduction to this topic.

51m11s: Games mentioned:
Stone Age

53m14s: Games mentioned:

56m38s: Tragedy of the Commons is a well-known game theory problem that pits collective good versus self-interest. 

1h01m55s: Games mentioned:
Santa Maria
Raja of the Ganges
Castles of Burgundy

1h04m58s: For those who may not know, ASCAP and BMI are the two largest music performance rights organizations in America. They monitor radio play and live performances, and make sure that every time a song is played publicly, its rightsholder gets paid.

1h06m27s: Eat Poop You Cat is the activity that Telestrations was based on.

1h09m42s: More info on Placerville, CA

1h13m42s: Games mentioned:
Five Tribes

1h14m34s: Jonny is referring to Ludology 176 - Taxonomy Driver.